Movement in internal Kung fu.

  • Michael Young
     
     

    When you move, is it volitional, or as if observing your body move of it's own accord?

  • January 5
  • Kelley Graham
     
     

    Both at same time.

  • Michael Young
     
     

    I have experienced this a little. Before i started training with you, i had read about a yi chuan standing exercise where while in an embrace type of stance you would imagine that you were holding the trunk of a tree and that you were pulling backwards to up root the tree and then forwards to push it over. This was all done with the yi not muscular movement. Once while doing this, when i did this, my body automatically went backward and forward.

  • Michael Young
     
     

    Now anytime i stand, i check to see if it still happens, and it still does. When i "think forward, everything becomes full on the front and i am pulled forward and the same for backwards. Is this how all movement should feel?

  • January 5
  • Kelley Graham
     
     

    No. What u describe is not taichi. If you think forward, first u must feel backward. If you think backward first forward. Then feeling both at the same time. The Visualization methods as u descibe limit depth of underestanding. 

     

    The visualization u describe only develops one of the 5 qualities and none of the right attention following i, chi, li.

  • Michael Young
     
     

    Great! I thought i was on to something with movement that came from the yi i was using

     

    Oh well, better right than wrong

  • Kelley Graham
     
     

    Never take any of the three parts out of i, chi, li.
    I, chi, li are required parts of one attention. Always i-chi-li, never i or chi or li.

  • Michael Young
     
     

    I was thinking that i was doing i then i got the feeling of fullness which i thought was chi, then my body would move. That's why i wad asking you about it. I wondered if that is what i chi li feels like.

  • Kelley Graham
     
     

    I chi li feels like fullness and release at the same time. The yin dantien is for storage of the chi.the yang mingmen is to mobilize the chi. As soon as it accumulates it moves, otherwise your chi is stagnant. 99% of the fullness is have experienced is stagnant chi.

     

    Experienced in others. That is.

  • Michael Young
     
     

    Ah. I do note when the fullness arises in one aspect there is lightness in the other.

     

    I feel as if being pulled instead of pushing

  • Kelley Graham
     
     

    No. Feel dantien and mingmen to balance.

  • Michael Young
     
     

    Yes sir. I will feel for that next time.

     

    Last thing.  

  • Kelley Graham
     
     

    Feel the balance of yin and yang all the time.

  • Michael Young
     
     

    The fullness is similar to what i feel when doing the i chi li with hand to foot and foot to hand exercise.

     

    But that still has to be balanced

  • Kelley Graham
     
     

    Yes.

  • Michael Young
     
     

    When i use yi. Everything I'm the body moves toward that intent and i get these feelings. Just in standing it actually moves the body

  • Kelley Graham
     
     

    U don't use the i. It's always i-chi-li. The only thing u do is move and recognize and realize.

     

    U have tomove away from the idea the i is separate from chi and li. That i and li are somehow oppositional. They're joined. Mind and body are the same.

  • Michael Young
     
     

      sometimes i forget. This is sometimes more difficult.

     

    Takes a lot of stillness

  • Kelley Graham
     
     

    Yes. Our language is oppositional in many ways. Breaking duality of thought is very hard.